Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by mdatkinson92, Dec 20, 2019.
Think I'd only get about three of my selection for that
I think I have a list at last
=10. GWR 14xx 0-4-2T
=10. SR U/N class moguls
=10. GWR 43xx moguls
=10. SR W class 2-6-4T
=10. LB&SCR A1x terriers
=4. GWR 64xx 0-6-0PT
=4. GWR City of Truro
=4. LB&SCR K 2-6-0 (although I have been going off this one)
3. LB&SCR E4 0-6-2T
=1. GWR Dukedog 4-4-0
=1. BR 3MT 2-6-0, specifically number 77014 the last steam engine to haul a train on Southern Region (somehow)
I know that’s 11 engines but the group of five I see as all equal to me and couldn’t drop one
Doesn’t included diesels obviously but if it did then the Hampshire units would be with the E4, and the Hymek would be in there too somewhere
10th GNR Stirling Single. Victorian elegance and a forefather's engine. Glad I saw her steam
9th A3 a thing of Apple Green beauty, despite the moans. Gresley's finest.
8th Jubilee absolute beasts. Perhaps the Chief Mechanical Engineers finest hour?
7th Black 5 so glad had 5000 as a kid. Another stuffed mounted (perhaps appropriately- where is it now?)
6th GWR City punchy little beast, design progress by Churchward, a fine engine belive 100mph? Yes!
5th V2 Green Arrow you are missed. Won the war etc&
4th A4 The finest British engine (arguably).
3rd South Africa Beyeyer Garratt GMA, seen at the end when I was a lad. Manchester's finest.
2nd South Africa NBL 2-8-0 19D, had a cabride near Knysna when they ran a real railway, watered it, turned it.
1st K1a New Zealand 4-8-4 Cabride over the Southern Alps, magic.
GNR Large Atlantic 4-4-2.......................1st big boiler, Wooton firebox
LMS Duchess 4-6-2.................................culmination of 4 cyl design
GWR Star 4-6-0.......................................the 1st modern engine
MR Compound -- 2602 ...........................1st really good compound
LNWR DX 0-6-0......................................1st UK standard
LNWR 2-2-2-0 Teutonic..........................so close to brilliance
LNWR Precedent 2-4-0 ...........................astonishing performer . everything the LNWR did came from here
GER B12 unrebuilt....................................looks and performance - but mainly looks
LSWR Urie H15 . ......................................father of the Black 5
GC Director 4-4-0 .....................................looks , performance .cudda chosen the Schools but the DOB won it
Some good choices, but where's the Claughton?
missing - for the same reason there is only one from the East Coast .
i tried to pick designs that begat lasting loco practice . the Claughton is a direct descendant of the Precedent . Precedent , Precursor, George .Claughton . if i included the Claughton , the B12 would be omitted-which would be a shame , and the Claughton was a dead end . it shudda been a pacific
same goes for the East Coast . the Atlantic morphed into the A1,A3 ,A4,P2 A2. .....but the line was a dead end . it was only replicated on the GNR & LNER.
the original B12 is in the list purely because the finish of the original engines was sheer poetry and that must count for something .
none of which should detract from Churchward's locos and their successors ,which laid down the standard for all to aspire to.
the reason for leaving out the Saint is the inside gear . it is a better engine than the H15 ,but it was not the future
only two really
Dean Goods and everything developed from the no/I boiler
I actually prefer the B12 in its later rebuilt form as the B12/3. On the other hand, the similar Claud Hamilton I prefer in its original form.
i considered both , but the original Claud boiler doesn't "fit" the frame , and the B12/3 is a Plain Jane - imo of course.
my list of favourite locos would be very different
Agree with you Cartman.The Claud Hamilton were gorgeous engines! It just so sad that none of them survived into preservation (Yes I`m aware of the new build project but they seems to have a veeeery long way to go)
(mod. Sorry for thread drift)
Top 10 Steam Classes?
Listed in no particular order.
1) Firing classes.
2) Braking classes.
3) Boiler attendant classes.
4) Valve gear classes.
5) Safeworking classes.
6) Preparation classes.
7) Disposal classes.
8) Driving classes.
9) Running repair classes.
10) Water treatment classes.
Mainlines been a lot better since Spadmere bowed out,
Things have been a lot more reliable and able to climb hills.
Yes, but with great difficulty! After some thought, here are my top 10 and the reasons for their inclusion. For many of us, I suspect our selection is very subjective, reflecting something of our geographical circumstances and personal memories:-
Original Bulleid Pacific +
Rebuilt Bulleid Pacific :- A toss-up between the two types for my favourite. The "originals" represent possibly the most distinctive image of Southern steam, but the rebuilds, especially the MNs, put in some phenomenal runs in the last days of Southern steam and Clan Line has to be my current favourite main-line registered engine - one of the top performers of the preservation age and more recently of course, 35018 is winning a lot of new friends with some good runs too.
Maunsell U and N class Moguls I was born in Redhill and spent several happy childhood years in Dorking, so these classes would have still been operational on my local Redhill-Reading line when I was a small boy, although my memories of steam haulage are very vague as I was so young. Personal memories notwithtanding, these classes are also handsome machines and were excellent performers. Thank goodness for Dai Woodham as without him, these locos would be extinct.
T9 I am always thrilled to turn up at Swanage and see 30120 in action. A lovely engine and again, a very successful class after Urie's modifications. Mind you, I guess that in a couple of years' time, it will be 563 which steals the show down in Dorset!
D The most elegant of all 4-4-0s in my opinion. Again, there are personal reasons for including this class: My grandfather spent his entire working life at Ashford depot so I must include an SE&CR engine in my list! 737 looks magnificent in its original livery and even though she will never steam again, the prospect of the Bluebell's working replica E class (which is nearly as handsome a design but not quite!) is a good compensation.
A1x (Terrier) The best small engines of all! Also, having lived much of my adult life in LB&SCR territory, there has to be a "Brighton" class in my list.
BR 80xxx 2-6-4T A class strongly associated with the last years of steam in Sussex and also a good looking, nicely proportioned design. 80151 and 80104 look so at home on their respective railways - indeed, they are the ideal class for heritage railways these days.
BR 9F 2-10-0 Magnificent engines with a certain rugged gracefulness about them.
LMS Black Five Did everything asked of them in LMS & BR days and have continued in the same vein in preservation. What's there not to like about a Black Five? I've had some great runs behind them on the main line, really enjoyed 45379 on the Mid Hants and have taken some good photos of them. I guess Ian Riley can take some credit for this class appearing in my list as his engines have been absolute stalwarts of the main line in recent years and always perform so well
It's hard to stop at just 10 classes. There are many others for which I have a soft spot - A4s (especially 60009). Manors, Castles (especially 5043), Schools, 75xxx 4-6-0s, Tornado, 28xx 2-8-0s, Gladstone, 02s (Calbourne), Midland 4-2-2 etc, etc. I guess we're very privileged to have such variety in this country.
This is of course an impossible question but here is my eclectic list in no particular order which I would no doubt change tomorrow.
GWR Dean single
Festiniog Railway double Fairlie Livingston Thompson c.1905
Penrhyn Railway Charles
FR England engine c. 1905
USA DSP&P Mason bogie
DeWinton vertical boiler quarry loco (2’ gauge version)
Unrebuilt Bulleid pacific
OK, my choices today. I would have found it easier to give 20, and my choices listed below don't have any particular rationale - I just like them. Frankly I would happily add so many more NG locos, anything in SECR or Metropolitan livery, and much more besides!
Quarry Hunslets, for their sheer dominance, staying power and versatility
The WLLR Earl and Countess - great, competent and good looking
FR Earl of Meirionydd (AKA The Square), as an early new build and for being just that bit different
The Metropolitan 4-4-0Ts (and their District counterparts). The NLR 4-4-0Ts coming a close second
SECR P class (narrowly beating the Terriers on grounds of beauty)
GWR 1366 class
LNWR Coal Tank
WC/BoB rebuild - please don't ask me why!
As a couple of bonus choices - Captain Baxter for an early industrial, and the FRs "Penrhyn Ladies" for doing what they were never designed to do, doing it brilliantly, and looking good as well!
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